Fouled boards
In the case that more than 3 Tables played a Fould Board, the following formula applies to score the board
As to bridge NZ,
F = (M x E) + (E - A)
A
I found the following page online which shows a much easier way to calculate the score.
When a board has been played 4 or more times in both the correct and the fouled condition it is scored in 2 groups
Group A: 5 Scores 8 6 4 2 0 available to allocate Table 1,2,3,8,9
Group B: 4 Scores 6 4 2 0 available to allocate Table 4,5,6,7
Allocate these as before
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Fouled Scores
Brd 4 Dlr West All Vul
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| Tbl | Contract & Tricks Won |
NS Score | EW Score | NS | EW | NS MPs | EW MPs |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 3CE 10 | 130 | 1 | 9 | 4 | A | |
| 2 | 3NTE 11 | 660 | 2 | 2 | 0 | A | |
| 3 | 2NTE 8 | 120 | 3 | 4 | 6 | A | |
| 4 | 3NTW 7 | 200 | 4 | 6 | 0 | B | |
| 5 | 3NTE 9 | 600 | 5 | 8 | 6 | B | |
| 6 | 6CE 11 | 100 | 6 | 1 | 3 | B | |
| 7 | 5CE 10 | 100 | 7 | 3 | 3 | B | |
| 8 | 3SN 9 | 140 | 8 | 5 | 8 | A | |
| 9 | 3CE 11 | 150 | 9 | 7 | 2 | A | |
| CHECK SUM | 32 | 32 | |||||
All boards must be worth the same (72 matchpoints).
To every score, add one point for every score in the other group.
Put in the complements for the EW scores.
Check the total. It should come to 72.
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Fouled Scores
Brd 4 Dlr West All Vul
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| Tbl | Contract & Tricks Won |
NS Score | EW Score | NS | EW | NS MPs | EW MPs |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 3CE 10 | 130 | 1 | 9 | (4+4) 8 | 8 | |
| 2 | 3NTE 11 | 660 | 2 | 2 | (0+4) 4 | 12 | |
| 3 | 2NTE 8 | 120 | 3 | 4 | (6+4) 10 | 6 | |
| 4 | 3NTW 7 | 200 | 4 | 6 | (0+5) 5 | 11 | |
| 5 | 3NTE 9 | 600 | 5 | 8 | (6+5) 11 | 5 | |
| 6 | 6CE 11 | 100 | 6 | 1 | (3+5) 8 | 8 | |
| 7 | 5CE 10 | 100 | 7 | 3 | (3+5) 8 | 8 | |
| 8 | 3SN 9 | 140 | 8 | 5 | (8+4) 12 | 4 | |
| 9 | 3CE 11 | 150 | 9 | 7 | (2+4) 6 | 10 | |
| CHECK SUM | 72 | 72 | |||||
The results of the two methods are not the same, is the secound way of calculating accepted in NZ
Thanks,
Marion
Latest Posts on this Thread
- NICK WHITTEN01 Nov 2020 at 05:33PM
Hi Marion
I think the two formulas are exactly equivalent (I did a quick check of a couple of the scores)
Which means ipso facto it should acceptableI'm sure some maths teacher can provide a succinct proof!
Your alternative formula certainly is easier
Some time ago I had an occasion to manually matchpoint a fouled board and it was a nightmare
The scoring program normally does it automatically; I can't remember why that couldn't be done on this occasioncheers
Nick - MARION ARLIDGE01 Nov 2020 at 06:10PM
Thanks Nick, I am studying for the director exam on the 15th of November and the format has changed this year with 'scoring and movements' being a separate 90 minutes exam, just trying to make sure that I cover all eventualities.
- GILES HANCOCK02 Nov 2020 at 12:10AM
Hi Marion
It's not the same as Neuberg, and I don't think it should be acceptable in NZ, especially when scoring software is available to do Neuberg.
You can also do Neuberg in a spreadsheet easily enough.
Good luck with your exams !
- NICK WHITTEN02 Nov 2020 at 08:09AM
Is there a worked example using Neuberg available anywhere?
- GILES HANCOCK02 Nov 2020 at 08:36AM
Hi Nick
For this example I get :
NS1 8.00 NS2 0.80 NS3 11.60 NS4 1.25 NS5 14.75 NS6 8.00 NS7 8.00 NS8 15.20 NS9 4.40 Top is 16.00
- MARION ARLIDGE02 Nov 2020 at 08:54AM
Hi Giles
I didn't think the result was the same when I calculated it, such a shame as that system with just adding the number of the other group is so much easier than the formula.
Where do you find a Neuberg spreadsheet
- GILES HANCOCK02 Nov 2020 at 10:28AM
Hi Marion
I just did the spreadsheet myself in a few minutes.
A B C D E 1 4 36 40 8.00 2 0 0 4 0.80 3 6 54 58 11.60 4 0 0 5 1.25 5 6 54 59 14.75 6 3 27 32 8.00 7 3 27 32 8.00 8 8 72 76 15.20 9 2 18 22 4.40 Column A = tables 1-9
Column B = the manually assigned matchpoints within each group
Column C = column B times 9 =B1*9 etc
Column D = =C1+4 same for rows 2,3,8,9 =C4+5 same for rows 5 and 6
Column E = =D1/5 same for rows 2,3,8,9 =D4/4 same for rows 5 and 6
Hope that helps
I hope this isn't in the CD exam, but if it is then NZB should allow you to use a spreadsheet.
- GILES HANCOCK02 Nov 2020 at 10:39AM
oops, same for rows 5, 6 and 7
- MARION ARLIDGE02 Nov 2020 at 10:28PM
Thanks so much Giles, I have my spreadsheet all ready to go, just in case it comes up
Cheers,
Marion
- GILES HANCOCK12 Jan 2021 at 12:46PM
Congratulations Marion on passing the exam :)
- Kathryn Shannon10 Aug 2021 at 07:00AM
Where I play, Fouled Boards are "Skipped" at the table where fouled board was discovered and adjusted to 45% for the table where the board was fouled. There does not seem to be any basis in the laws for this but it is considered to be "fair".
- GILES HANCOCK11 Aug 2021 at 01:02AM
Hi Kathryn
Please don't do this ! It allows players to be unethical - if they are getting a bad result then they just foul the board and get 45% instead.
The result obtained before the fouling occurs needs to be kept (and a PP given).
If the board is played only once in the fouled state then both innocent pairs should get 60% (or their session score if greater).
- Giles
- Kathryn Shannon11 Aug 2021 at 06:32AM
Hi Giles,
I am just a player, and have no influence on how games are run and ruled upon. However I am aware of how unfair it is when I have a fouled board skipped meaning, through no fault of my own, I am deprived of a chance for a top board, which I assume the 60% intends to address.
And likewise, my partner and I are disuccing how we can shuffle a few cards after I go down in another unmakable slam. (just joking).
Kathryn - GILES HANCOCK11 Aug 2021 at 01:24PM
OK, but have a talk to a club director or club President, and ask them to check with NZB.
Dropping money on the floor works as a distraction to the other players :) Then quickly switch North and West hands :)
Giles
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